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Control Yuan releases interview recording of President Chen
in Prison on his medical condition


According to the report by The Taiwan People News, Mr. Huang Huan-Hsiung, a Control Yuan member who embarked a 626 days of investigation into the imprisonment condition of President Chen, released the audio recording of his interviews of President Chen in prison (see the report in Hanji below). Mr. Huang told the reporters that he wrote a letter to Ma with his complete report attached, but Ma never responds to his letter. Mr. Huang also provided his report to DOJ and Executive Yuan, but similarly, none of them bother to respond except a simple note to acknowledge that the report had been received.

In the recording, President Chen told Mr. Huang grimly, while stuttering worse than ever, that he would refuse any medical treatment if his condition becomes critical. "It is worse than death. I don't want endless torture in prison. I would rather die, just like Korean President Kim (who jumped to death to protest the charges against him)."

Mr. Huang interviewed President Chen five times and recorded the interview in 28 tapes. The first interview was conducted on Oct. 4, 2012 and the last one was on May 23, 2014. Mr. Huang recalled that President Chen was in a worst physical condition when he first interviewed him on Oct. 4, 2014. (Note that in September, 2012, President Chen was rushed to Taoyuan Municipal Hospital because he was forcefully fed over 2000 CC water by the prison authority to see if he was faking his inability to urinate after a "drive-through" colonoscopy on the same day.) Mr. Huang also warned of the worst because he has personally witnessed the rapid deterioration of President Chen's health in the last 13 months. Below are some excepts of the audio recording of President Chen on his own condition, in his own words, during the interviews on Jan. 23, 214 and May 23, 2014.

Jan. 23, 2014

"When Dr. Ko described me as ruined (incapable of taking himself, not to mention mounting a political comeback), I was a little offended by his blunt statement. ... However, I agree now that his description has some truth in it. In conducting my daily live, I am ruined, a complete wreck. In the last two months, there are several new symptoms, while there are no improvement in my existing conditions. ... The doctors at Taichung Veteran General Hospital told me that they had tried their best and there was no cure for my conditions."

"The severeness of the medical condition needed to qualify for a trial suspension is stricker than the one qualified for a medical parole. Now that the Court has suspended all the trials against me because of my severe medical condition, they still insist on imprisoning me. Just like what Dr. Ko stated, their intent is to kill, wanting me to die in the prison. The doctors have prescribed home care as my treatment, which means medical parole. There is no reason that I should not be allowed to go home to receive proper treatment."

"... I was told that all my medical conditions (such as sleep apnea, low blood oxygen, loss of bladder control, etc.) originated from my brain degeneration. I am most frustrated by my brain condition. Doctors told me no medicine can stop this degeneration."

May 23, 2014

Question: "Do you drink a lot of water each day?"

"Yes, I drink a lot of water because I sweat a lot and feel thirsty all the time. My bladder control problem is getting worse. Early this year, it (wetting paints) probably happened 4 to 5 times a day. Then, it became more than 10 times, then 20 times, 30 times, and now over 40 times a day. I drank probably 4 to 5000 CC of water a day in the past, but my bladder control problem was not this bad six months ago. ... Doctors told me that the bladder control and my unsteady steps were due to my central nerve system..."

"The first surgery alleviated my sleep apnea but it has progressed worse again. ... The second surgery did not help much. ... I am again suffering severe sleep apnea as I stopped breathing over 40 times a night. The doctors similarly confirm that it is due to the central nerve system."

"A few days ago, I choked while eating my meal here. I had to see a doctor and coughed up many grains of rice. A few days later, I woke up in the middle of the night because I could not breathe. I don't know if it was due to my sleep apnea or due to food choking. It was so bad that I thought I would suffocate to death."

"Late last year, during my recovery in Taichung Veteran Gerneral Hospital after the surgery, I fell 9 times over two weeks. After that, I fell almost every day. This prompted the prison authority to have people assist me 24/7. A caretaker is assigned to hold me unless I am in bed or in a chair. When I woke up in the morning, someone will help me to get out of the bed. When I ring for help, someone will come to hold me. They will help me to the shower until I sit on the shower chair. My wife's condition is the same. This is the reason why the doctors state that I need full time caretakers in their diagnosis and treatment plan report."

"Dr. Chen Shuen-Shun advises me that I should walk diligently everyday. He told me to walk at least 10,000 steps twice a day. He gave me a counter. It takes well over an hour each time and nearly three hours all together. Somebody needs to hold me so that I could walk with my walking stick. When I walk, I would easily be out of breath and I would sweat so much to wet my trousers, while my loss of bladder control would cause me to wet my underwear. I can't take care of myself unless someone is holding me. It bothers me very much. My bladder control problem is getting worse. Every day, I am facing seemly endless changing of paints, underwear, and diapers."

"Yesterday, the prison staff was teaching my caretakers how to perform CPR. ... I told them there would be no need for it. I told them that I would sign an affidavit to refuse all medical treatments if my condition becomes critical. Don't waste ECMO or any medical resources on me. I would refuse a tube insertion or any surgery to save my life."

Translated by Jay Tu

 

 

黃煌雄:扁醫療人權調查案致函馬總統 馬收到未理會
監院公布錄音檔 扁狀況惡劣

監察委員黃煌雄今(22)日下午針對「陳前總統醫療人權案調查綜整說明」做出補充,並在會中公布訪談陳水扁錄音檔,在訪談過程中,陳水扁結巴的狀況相當嚴重,除了抱怨自己的病況。扁在5月23日的訪談中也強調自己「可以寫切結書給你們,萬一真的有三長兩短,我放棄急救」。

而在1月22日的訪談中,陳前總統說,「柯P講我是廢人,本來我是認為亂講,講得那麼直接,但是現在講,這樣講是對的,因為這一、兩個月來的變化太大,身體上,生活上已是廢人」。不過法務部日前也才公布陳前總統在台中的住所,享有比別人更好的待遇,包括相當大的起居間,庭院以及輪班看護等,屋頂還加罩以防熱,此外強調扁享有相對寬鬆的接見自由。

黃煌雄表示,今天這次算是監院首度完整公布訪談陳水扁的錄音檔,從101年10月4日,至今(103)年5月23日,共5次訪談28個錄音檔案,地點分別在北榮及台中培德醫院等處,最後一次柯文哲也在場。

他說,事實上在6月11日之後他也正式寫了一封信給總統馬英九,把6月11日監院公布的調查資料完完整整的送給總統馬英九,他覺得應給國家元首陳水扁先生這些年來,600多天的來龍去脈,很誠意的把資料給馬總統做參考。

黃煌雄表示,流程上監院資料也給了法務部和行政院,但他強調,只是檢附資料敬請參酌,相關單位只表示接到書面,未做特別表示或函覆其他意見。

在5月23日的訪談中,陳水扁表示,「陳順勝教授要我一定要走路,給我一個計步器,早上下午各一萬步,一次一個多小時,合計費時三個多小時,都有人扶著,我拿拐杖,走會喘,走到滿頭大汗,外褲溼掉,最後又尿溼褲子,現在都要靠人扶著,沒人扶著,無法自理,很麻煩,尿失禁也越來越麻煩,整天都在換褲子、換尿布、換尿片」。

針對陳水扁的狀況,監委黃煌雄談及訪談過程與經驗表示,扁在101年10月4日是狀況是最糟的時候,那時是北榮有醫療團隊的發言權,他要北榮把實際狀況講出來;101年9月時,法務部矯正署與陳致中、陳幸妤等扁家屬二邊各說各話,他也要求雙方應尊重專業醫療團隊的發言。

此外,黃煌雄也指出,扁一年一個月增加三種病,慢性病增加快不快,惡化速度快不快,是他們最關心的,以後會怎樣,大家是否有把握、有自信,是面臨最實質的問題。

民報 記者唐詩/台北報導 2014-07-22

 

監院訪談錄音 扁:整天都在換褲子,換尿布,換尿片…
自承是廢人 「萬一真的有三長兩短,我不要急救」

監察委員黃煌雄今(22)日下午針對「陳前總統醫療人權案調查綜整說明」做出補充,並在會中公布訪談陳水扁完整錄音檔與文字資料。扁在訪談中依然結巴不停,自承是「廢人」,也抱怨自己「整天都在換褲子,換尿布,換尿片」,此外扁也不斷表明厭世的態度,稱CPR和葉克膜「用不到」。

今(103)年1月22日與5月23日訪談部分如下:

一、1月22日部分

【中榮已盡力】(陳前總統說法)

柯P講我是廢人,
本來我是認為亂講,講的那麼直接,
但是現在想,這樣講是對的,
因為這一、兩個月來的變化太大,
身體上,生活上已是廢人。

現在的病況是,原來有的沒改善,又有新的病症。
從臺北監獄移到臺中監獄,變成這樣。
中榮的醫師私底下告訴我,
他們已盡力了,已無能為力,無藥了。

【居家療養】(陳前總統說法)

法院認定停止審理之要件是比保外就醫更嚴格,
我已經被認定要停止審理,他們還這樣。
就像柯P講的,他們要把我關死在這裡。
不然,沒有道理不讓我出去醫病。
醫生已經說要居家療養,在法律上來講,就是保外就醫。

【獄中醫療已達極限】(陳前總統說法)

最近台北榮總陳記得醫師的手術(扁桃腺切除),
但是最近白天血氧濃度會下降,
跟手術無關,是腦部的問題
。我比較懊惱的事,他們告訴我,
所有的病,吃藥都沒有用,是腦部的問題。
醫師均稱,是腦部的問題。

二、5月23日部分

【尿失禁嚴重】(陳前總統說法)

本案諮詢醫療專家:平時,喝很多水?
陳前總統:因容易流汗,口渴,就想喝水。
尿失禁問題,今年年初,1天約4、5次,
然後變成1天10幾次,1天20幾次,1天30幾次,
現在1天40幾次,半年來,日益嚴重。
因為口渴地很嚴重。

以前也是至少每天喝水4、5,000cc,
當時(尿失禁問題)也沒這麼嚴重,
上次你們來的時候,1天也才4、5次。
以前就很容易流汗,一走路,就滿頭大汗,
就必須洗澡,早上也要洗澡。
神經內科的報告指稱,尿失禁及走路不穩問題,
逐漸惡化,是神經退化的問題。
尿失禁問題,剛開始先吃藥,再做好幾次檢查,
最後是MRI檢查,檢查結果已排除是泌尿周邊的問題,
因此,是受中樞神經的影響,是神經內科的問題。

【睡眠呼吸中止症嚴重】(陳前總統說法)

睡眠呼吸中止症疾病,
經臺北榮總做鼻中膈彎曲手術後,有改善,
但這次在臺中榮總做的
喉嚨的懸壅垂、扁桃腺切除手術,則無效果,
本以為可以降到中度,降到二十幾,
但現在反而變成四十幾,仍屬重度症狀,
因此,也證明與中樞神經問題有關,
不是純粹周邊的問題。

【嗆咳】(陳前總統說法)

前幾天在這裡吃飯時,被米粒阻塞、嗆到,
咳不出來,後來出去門診,取出一堆米粒。
再過幾天,又有一次晚上睡覺時,
半夜1點多,突然無法呼吸,就醒過來,
不知是因嗆到沒辦法呼吸,
還是睡眠呼吸中止症的關係,
一直無法呼吸,我也不知道。
但那次很嚴重,喘不過氣來,
就想到猝死。

【跌倒】(陳前總統說法)

去年底(102年12月14日)
在臺中榮總做扁桃腺切除手術,住院兩周跌倒9次,
回來後,前8天跌倒8次,每天都跌倒。
後來中監決定派專人扶著我,1天24小時有人值班,
除睡覺或坐在椅子上之外,都有人扶著。
一起床,馬上有人來扶,
我按鈴,就有人來扶我,洗澡時,亦同。
坐在洗澡椅,就不用人扶,我太太的情形也一樣。
所以臺中榮總神經內科就寫說,
我需要24小時有人看護照顧,就是這樣來的。

【每天走萬步】(陳前總統說法)

陳順勝教授要我一定要走路,
給我一個記步器,早上下午各1萬步,
1次1個多小時,合計費時3個多小時,
都有人扶著,我拿拐杖,
走會喘,走到滿頭大汗,
外褲濕掉,最後又尿濕褲子。
現在都要靠人扶著,
沒人扶著,無法自理,很麻煩;
尿失禁也越來越麻煩,
整天都在換褲子,換尿布,換尿片。

【放棄急救】(陳前總統說法)

昨天,中監有在這裡教看護
練習CPR急救方法,
有拍攝影片,可能要給你們看,
但是我跟他們說,你們不要照相給長官看,
我說,我用不到(CPR急救),
我可以寫切結書給你們,
萬一真的有三長兩短,我不要急救,
不要浪費葉克膜,不要插管,也不必開刀。
那是浪費醫療資源。

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